A continuing discussion of Rabbi Yochanan and Rebbi’s positions on the source for kiddushin/betrothal effected by sexual relations. 2 other questions are asked. Is kiddushin by sexual relations effected by the beginning of the act or the end? Is kiddushin is done by sexual relations, does that same act also effect the marriage or only the betrothal? Various texts are brought to try to answer this question but they are inconclusive.